20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> *GAVEL* 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order. To nding resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2009/2009-12-09.html 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 2, Roll Call] 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> Board members, please state your name for the record. As we have nine board members, quorum for today's meeting is six. Guests (including board advisors), please /msg your names to noodles if you wish your attendance to be recorded in the minutes of this meeting 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> so lets see 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> if he turns up 20:05 #spi: < schultmc> Michael Schultheiss 20:05 #spi: < Ganneff> if not its a short one 20:06 #spi: < Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert 20:06 #spi: < Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz 20:06 #spi: < Noodles> Jonathan McDowell 20:06 #spi: < zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas 20:06 #spi: < zobel> i will give luk a call 20:08 -!- luk_ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08 -!- luk_ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08 #spi: < zobel> phone busy 20:09 #spi: < Ganneff> one more try in a minute?! 20:10 #spi: < zobel> i will come. 20:10 #spi: < zobel> s/i/he/ 20:10 #spi: < Hydroxide> yay 20:10 #spi: < Ganneff> when? :) 20:11 #spi: < zobel> he just said: he will come. the phone call lasted a few seconds.... 20:11 #spi: < luk__> Luk Claes 20:11 #spi: < Ganneff> yay, i think we have it?! 20:11 #spi: < zobel> yes. 20:12 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 3, President's Report] 20:12 #spi: < luk__> sorry for being late 20:12 #spi: < luk__> zobel: tnx for the reminder 20:12 #spi: < Ganneff> Bdale not here, but he gave me this: I'm investigating a mechanism by which SPI could purchase HP servers on behalf of our associated projects at a discount. I hope to have more details to report on this in January. 20:12 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 4, Treasurer's Report] 20:12 #spi: < Ganneff> Michael, have fun. 20:12 #spi: < schultmc> routine report was just added to the agenda 20:12 #spi: < Hydroxide> Ganneff / bdale: neat, thanks! 20:13 #spi: < schultmc> I apologize for the delay - I mistakingly thought I had an extra week to prepare the report 20:13 #spi: < Ganneff> schultmc: your turn 20:13 #spi: < schultmc> nothing else from me unless there are questions 20:13 #spi: < Hydroxide> schultmc: same deal about the helios project, as usual? 20:13 #spi: < schultmc> Hydroxide: yes 20:13 #spi: < Hydroxide> k 20:14 #spi: < Ganneff> uah. im lagged?! 20:14 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:14 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:14 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:14 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #debian-admin 20:14 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #spi 20:14 -!- luk__ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:14 -!- luk__ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:15 -!- luk__ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has joined #debian-admin 20:15 -!- luk__ [~luk@luk.netop.oftc.net] has joined #spi 20:15 #spi: < zobel> Warning, no response from solenoid.oftc.net 20:15 #spi: * Hydroxide still here, for the record 20:15 #spi: * schultmc is also still here 20:16 #spi: * zobel as well 20:16 #spi: < Ganneff> oh very helpful that the net falls down right now 20:16 #spi: * Noodles too (though my ssh is a bit lagged). 20:16 #spi: < zobel> we might see a netsplit shortly... 20:16 #spi: < luk__> Luk Claes 20:16 -!- Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: azeem_, Maulkin, fil, sam, Sirenia, so_solid_moo, Guest956, carstenh, broonie 20:16 -!- Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: fil, sam, aba, maswan, mhy, Sledge 20:16 -!- Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: Sirenia, Hornet-, DrJeep_, SommitRealWeird, sfr 20:16 -!- Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: pads, rooboy 20:16 #spi: < Ganneff> schultmc: did you deliver your treasurers report? 20:16 #spi: * Ganneff never saw any 20:17 #spi: < Hydroxide> I think we're all on this side of the netsplit 20:17 #spi: < schultmc> Ganneff: yes 20:17 #spi: < Hydroxide> Ganneff: it is in the agenda 20:17 #spi: < Ganneff> and lag is going up again for me. how not helpful 20:17 #spi: < Hydroxide> I think we can go on... it'll become apparent very shortly if someone's not here as a vote is next 20:17 #spi: < schultmc> [15:12] < schultmc> | routine report was just added to the agenda 20:17 #spi: < schultmc> [15:13] < schultmc> | I apologize for the delay - I mistakingly thought I had an extra week to prepare the report 20:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: DrJeep_, Hornet-, Sirenia, sfr, SommitRealWeird 20:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pads, rooboy 20:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Sirenia, Guest956, azeem_, so_solid_moo, carstenh, broonie, fil, sam, Maulkin 20:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fil, sam, maswan, aba, mhy, Sledge 20:17 #spi: < schultmc> [15:13] < schultmc> | nothing else from me unless there are questions 20:19 #spi: < Ganneff> Hydroxide: it wont help to go on if i have a lag of two minutes and dont even see what people wrote. 20:19 #spi: < Ganneff> now, lets try a question i got from a guest: 20:19 #spi: < Ganneff> Why is the interest so low for $100k? 20:19 #spi: < zobel> Ganneff: go on? 20:19 #spi: * Hydroxide agrees 20:19 #spi: < Hydroxide> heh...if ganneff is effectively not here due to technical issues then we no longer have quorum 20:19 #spi: < zobel> maybe he splitted away? :) 20:19 #spi: < Hydroxide> he's still on this side of the netsplit 20:20 #spi: < Ganneff> as i said, i experience lots of lag... 20:20 #spi: < luk__> I reconnected once I saw I had a way too big lag 20:20 #spi: < luk__> and that apparently has improved things 20:21 #spi: < Noodles> I understand there have been problems at LINX today, but I thought it was sorted. 20:21 #spi: < jello> schultmc: is there a typo on the interest income? why so low? 20:21 #spi: < schultmc> no typo - apparently the bank lowered the interest rate 20:21 #spi: < Ganneff> anyone got my stuff, including jellos question? 20:21 #spi: < jello> hrmph 20:21 #spi: < jello> i currently get 1.5%, what are we getting from key? 20:22 #spi: < Noodles> Ganneff: Yes, I saw it. 20:22 #spi: < Hydroxide> schultmc: that's 0.004% ish ... really? 20:22 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:22 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:22 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:22 -!- Ganneff_ [~joerg@vir.ganneff.de] has joined #debian-admin 20:22 -!- Ganneff_ [~joerg@vir.ganneff.de] has joined #spi 20:22 #spi: < Hydroxide> schultmc: even for a routine bank savings account that's low 20:23 #spi: < schultmc> statement says APY is 0.05% 20:23 #spi: < Ganneff> oh yay, i just saw my earlier msgs 20:23 #spi: < schultmc> I'll call the bank and see what's changed 20:23 #spi: < Ganneff> lets try going on 20:23 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 5, Secretaries Report] 20:23 #spi: < jello> schultmc: thanks! 20:23 #spi: < Ganneff> And this is for Noodles. 20:24 #spi: < zobel> Noodles: ^ 20:25 -!- Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: raphael_, mc, jcristau, schultmc, maxx, ats, bdale, jello, slam, Ganneff_, (+15 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:25 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #debian-admin 20:25 -!- Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #spi 20:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zobel, dondelelcaro, jello, CosmicRay, schultmc, TML, slam, moray__, cdlu, raphael_ (+14 more) 20:26 -!- Mode change [+R] for user Noodles 20:26 #spi: < luk__> hmm 20:26 #spi: < zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas 20:26 #spi: < Noodles> This isn't really working, is it? 20:26 #spi: < Hydroxide> heh 20:26 #spi: < luk__> maybe now it is? :-) 20:26 #spi: < Ganneff> bad timing 20:26 #spi: * Hydroxide is here - was briefly distracted by $paidjob, but only briefly 20:27 #spi: * schultmc is still here 20:27 #spi: < Ganneff> i am here, but lag is not going down. 20:27 #spi: < schultmc> hopefuly this client and my backup client are on different servers 20:27 #spi: < Ganneff> if anyone has seen my paste, its noodles task right now 20:27 #spi: < Noodles> I didn't see it. 20:27 #spi: < Hydroxide> Noodles: secretary's report bit 20:27 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 5, Secretaries Report] 20:27 #spi: < Ganneff> And this is for Noodles. 20:27 #spi: < Noodles> I also didn't see any reply to the "only 0.004%?" 20:28 #spi: < Ganneff> there, for those that missed it 20:28 #spi: < luk__> tnx 20:28 #spi: < schultmc> Noodles: [15:23] < schultmc> | statement says APY is 0.05% 20:28 #spi: < schultmc> [15:23] < Ganneff> | oh yay, i just saw my earlier msgs 20:28 #spi: < schultmc> [15:23] < schultmc> | I'll call the bank and see what's changed 20:28 #spi: < Hydroxide> schultmc said the bank gave us an APY of 0.05% ... but, I forgot to take into account that that's annual and this is a monthly report 20:28 #spi: < Hydroxide> so it probably makes sense if I were to do the math 20:28 #spi: < Hydroxide> still crap though 20:28 #spi: < Hydroxide> (but common) 20:29 #spi: < Ganneff> (i do not envy those that try to make this log into meeting minutes or blog posts or mailing list mails) 20:29 #spi: * Hydroxide will discuss higher-yield alternatives with schultmc as part of opening the account we agreed in September 20:29 #spi: < zobel> Noodles: can you go on with secretary report? 20:29 -!- yp17 [~yp17@fac34-1-82-224-137-145.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #spi 20:29 #spi: < Noodles> I believe secretary stuff is now up to date; I have all outstanding minutes (the 2 Martin did I'll get on the agenda for next month). 20:29 #spi: < Noodles> The 2 pending applications for associated membership are both on today's agenda. 20:30 #spi: < luk__> time to vote on the minutes of Nov I guess? 20:30 #spi: < Hydroxide> Ganneff: go ahead and move onto the next item - the November minutes. then noodles can call a vote. 20:30 #spi: < Ganneff> they are in next point. we have minutes to vote on, i think? 20:30 #spi: < zobel> done? 20:30 #spi: < Ganneff> Hydroxide: thats in the secretary part anyways. 20:30 #spi: < Noodles> I'm done with secretary stuff, yes. Minute voting time? 20:30 #spi: < Ganneff> yes 20:30 #spi: < Hydroxide> Ganneff: usually been a separate item in the past but I don't really care 20:31 #spi: * Hydroxide readies his !vote yes 20:31 #spi: < Ganneff> oh. hrm. would be. well, whatever. lets vote :) 20:31 #spi: < Ganneff> Noodles? 20:31 #spi: < Hydroxide> Noodles: ready to start the vote? 20:32 #spi: < Noodles> Voting started, 6 people (ganneff,noodles,hydroxide,zobel,luk__,schultmc) allowed to vote on November 2009 minutes. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 20:32 #spi: < Ganneff> !vote yes 20:32 #spi: < schultmc> !vote yes 20:32 #spi: < luk__> !vote yes 20:32 #spi: < Hydroxide> !vote yes 20:32 #spi: < Noodles> (Yes, once I a) get over lag and b) type the command correctly) 20:32 #spi: < Noodles> !vote yes 20:32 #spi: < zobel> !vote abstain 20:32 #spi: < Noodles> Current voting results for "November 2009 minutes": Yes: 5, No: 0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 () 20:32 #spi: < Noodles> Voting for "November 2009 minutes" closed. 20:32 #spi: < Ganneff> yay 20:32 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 6, Items up for discussion] 20:32 #spi: < Ganneff> I think we have YafaRay and sidux here. Again the floor for Noodles. 20:33 #spi: < Noodles> I have no association with either project. Both seem suited to our aims and have been messed around a bit in terms of a delay in getting these resolutions drafted. 20:33 #spi: < Noodles> I found both liasions responsive when I was sorting out the details. 20:33 #spi: < Ganneff> anyone having trouble with one of em? if not, ready to vote? 20:34 #spi: < zobel> Noodles: very diplomatic, thx :) 20:34 #spi: < luk__> I'm ready to vote 20:34 #spi: < Noodles> Voting started, 6 people (ganneff,noodles,hydroxide,zobel,luk__,schultmc) allowed to vote on 2009-11-27.jmd.1 - YafaRay as associated project. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 20:34 #spi: < Ganneff> !vote yes 20:34 #spi: < schultmc> !vote yes 20:34 #spi: < Noodles> !vote yes 20:34 #spi: < luk__> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < zobel> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> Hydroxide? 20:35 #spi: < luk__> Hydroxide: ? 20:35 #spi: < Hydroxide> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> Current voting results for "2009-11-27.jmd.1 - YafaRay as associated project": Yes: 6, No: 0, Abstain: 0, Missing: 0 () 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> Voting for "2009-11-27.jmd.1 - YafaRay as associated project" closed. 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> Sweet. 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> Voting started, 6 people (ganneff,noodles,hydroxide,zobel,luk__,schultmc) allowed to vote on 2009-11-27.jmd.2 - sidux as associated project. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 20:35 #spi: < Ganneff> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < schultmc> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < Noodles> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < zobel> !vote yes 20:35 #spi: < luk__> !vote yes 20:36 #spi: < luk__> Hydroxide: ? 20:36 #spi: < Hydroxide> !vote yes 20:36 #spi: < Noodles> Current voting results for "2009-11-27.jmd.2 - sidux as associated project": Yes: 6, No: 0, Abstain: 0, Missing: 0 () 20:36 #spi: < Noodles> Voting for "2009-11-27.jmd.2 - sidux as associated project" closed. 20:36 #spi: < Ganneff> so this is done, i think. thanks, lets go on. 20:36 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 7, Any other business] 20:36 #spi: < Ganneff> Anyone with a topic? 20:36 #spi: * Hydroxide has had multiple more brief $paidjob interruptions - sorry for the delays 20:36 #spi: < zobel> congrats to both projects. 20:37 #spi: < zobel> none? 20:37 #spi: * Hydroxide reminds Noodles that someone still needs to email them and get an acceptance response with 60 days - likely trivial but still important 20:37 #spi: < Ganneff> going once 20:37 #spi: < Noodles> Hydroxide: Yup, I think I've seen bdale do that in the past but I can do it. 20:37 #spi: < zobel> Ganneff: status DOT? 20:37 #spi: < Ganneff> discussion 20:37 #spi: < Ganneff> discussion 20:37 #spi: < Ganneff> and more of it. 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> but only ever briefly, then silence. then... :) 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> going twice 20:38 #spi: < Hydroxide> Noodles: great. when a project rep is present in-meeting we can do it during the meeting on IRC for the record, but that's not true here. there's no more to it than you think. 20:38 #spi: < Hydroxide> Ganneff: move on to 'next meeting' :) 20:38 #spi: < Noodles> I'd like to push back the meeting next month by an hour if possible. I'm going to be in Sydney so 20:00 UTC is 07:00 I think. 20:38 #spi: < devil> Hydroxide: i am here 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> impatient lot 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> [item 8, Next board meeting] 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> If I am right this will be the 14th January, again 20:00 UTC 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> ok 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> with noodles that would be 2100 utc 20:38 #spi: < Ganneff> anyone trouble with that? 20:39 #spi: < schultmc> fine with me 20:39 #spi: * Hydroxide doesn't mind but suggest that we allow devil to accept on behalf of sidux before we close 20:39 #spi: < luk__> nope, just have to remember :-) 20:39 #spi: < zobel> noe, even better for me... my daughter in bed then... :) 20:39 #spi: < Ganneff> lets take it for 2100 then, and if needed people complain on list 20:40 #spi: < Ganneff> devil: do you want to accept sidux right now in this meeting? or want a mail? 20:40 #spi: < devil> i accept for project sidux, thanks 20:40 #spi: < Noodles> Welcome aboard. 20:40 #spi: < Ganneff> great. welcome. 20:40 #spi: < Ganneff> *GAVEL*